A conversation with Nick Podgurski


    We spoke with Nick Podgurski about the relations between animals, vegetables and minerals, meditating on 3-dimensional shapes, constructing his percussion parts in a visual format and how daily thoughts relate to patterns.

    Value might be given to the poles of the base shape we’re beginning with that could potentially undo the idea that this is a pattern we’re experiencing.


    Julien Fernandez

    Above is an image with one unique shape at four different angles and four different sequences that builds one large picture of 16. Can you tell me what comes to your mind for each angle, each sequence of four and the complete picture?

    Nick Podgurski

    Value might be given to the poles of the base shape we’re beginning with that could potentially undo the idea that this is a pattern we’re experiencing.  Also, that these are views of a single side of 3-dimensional shapes whose other borders are out of view. There might be made more to make of the material.


    There was a time in Central Asia where some people thought sheep were the fruitage of a plant called The Vegetable Lamb of Tartary. The lamb was connected to the plant by its umbilical cord, and grazed around the plant until it ate all the foliage around its circumference and died. There could be a kernel of truth to that… right?

    “I died as a mineral and became a plant, I died as a plant and rose to animal, I died as animal and I was Man. Why should I fear? When was I less by dying?”


    I’ve been thinking about a document you shared on December 4, 2016 on your Instagram account. It’s called “Documentation of a simple idea for practice.” Can you elaborate on this?

    I have some little drum ideas written down, but not in this style. I had worked with the band Geryon on a song for their second record The Wound And The Bow and transcribed the entire song so that Lev could learn it for the recording. In the process, I had a brief moment of excitement of neatly transcribing some drum ideas. I quickly got taken with other music I was working on.

    I’ve been working with keyboard/synth for Feast of the Epiphany and New Firmament pieces, though, so I have mostly that sort of thing written out. All of the music in GRID is improvised, so it’s not the sort of thing I’m moved to notate, although it could potentially prove to be the most challenging/interesting and something I’d pursue down the line, given the right setting.

    Perhaps that we should look past the drums or any instrument to the depth at which movement’s presence extends.


    Do you apply the concept of time and rhythm that you employ when you play music to your day-to-day activities?

    Yes. Both ways.


    Can you approximate how many times do you need to hit your snare drum before it breaks?



    You’re a drummer, so if I told you that movement never lies, what would that mean to you?

    Perhaps that we should look past the drums or any instrument to the depth at which movement’s presence extends.


    Below is a constellation map. Can you focus on it and let me know how you feel looking at this?

    “Every step we take, every utterance, every thought has a pattern, a rhythmic pattern which is energized by breath.”


    Can you tell us about dynamics and textures in electro-acoustic music? How would you describe it to someone unaware but interested in that style of music?

    I’d be willing to try. What I am able to say depends on the other person and situation.


    As a musician, would you say you have the same attitude or approach of a scientist when you compose? Do you think you try to resolve something when you create a song?

    No. I’m not familiar enough to speak for what the “attitude of a scientist” is, definitively, and, therefore, I’d be speaking from the top of my head. In certain musical situations I’ll accept a lack of resolve, even sloppy elements as valid foundation and seek self-serving outcomes rather than what “is.” This doesn’t, to my understanding, suit the attitudes of a scientist. A good one, anyway.

    Thank you.


    Conversation: 114
    Curated by: Julien Fernandez
    Conducted by: Email
    Published: January 24, 2018
    Total questions: 9
    Word count: 622
    Reading time: Three minutes
    Hyperlinks: 4
    Imagery: 2


    Pattern: Experienced
    Movement: Presence
    Energy: Breath
    Potential: Proven
    Value: Pole
    Excitement: Momentary
    Scientist: Nonequivalent


    About the subject

    Nick Podgurski is a drummer and vocalist based in Queens. He has performed in the projects GRID, Feast of the Epiphany and Extra Life.

    About the curator

    Julien Fernandez was born in Mayenne, France in 1976. He currently lives and works in Pescara, Italy with his wife, two kids and a dog, Lenny. He is captivated by structural relations between objects, animal behavior, contagion and magic, and is currently working on a mechanism that would classify mental images in the physical world. He also designs and envisions the day-to-day architecture of North of the Internet.

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